Regulations Error

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Sherlock
wrote on 29-Aug-22 08:59

With changes being made to the regulations on 30 June it was communicated to the association that these changes were never ratified by clubs which is a requirement under the constitution.

 

The Board confirmed this in a response stating a step had been missed in the process thus knowingly giving finals opportunities to some teams that should've been there.

 

More to come.

Sherlock
wrote on 29-Aug-22 09:59

If there are doubts about the veracity of this, I would check with your Club President & Delegate.

 

The regulation changes which aren't enforceable as they have followed due process have allowed some club teams to participate in finals football when they shouldn't have been playing.

 

The FMC and Board should all resign over their inability to correctly interpret and apply the regulations as written.


Clubs had forfeits recorded against them under these last minute regulation change when they should not have.

 

Numerous emails have been circulated on this expressing concerns.

 

 

Sherlock
wrote on 29-Aug-22 10:01

If there are doubts about the veracity of this, I would check with your Club President & Delegate.

 

The regulation changes which aren't enforceable as they have followed due process have allowed some club teams to participate in finals football when they shouldn't have been playing.

 

The FMC and Board should all resign over their inability to correctly interpret and apply the regulations as written.


Clubs had forfeits recorded against them under these last minute regulation change when they should not have.

 

Numerous emails have been circulated on this expressing concerns.

 

 

so confused
wrote on 30-Aug-22 07:48

what the hell are you going on about?

too much meth after your ressies win tigers?

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 08:52

As I said earlier ask your Club President or Delegate about the regulation changes on 30 Jun brought in by the Association that weren't ratified by the clubs under the constitution.

Ask to see the response from the Board when one of the clubs challenged the changes.

That club has now circulated their email and the response from the Board to all other clubs.

There we're clubs who had teams miss out on finals football because of these unratified changes.

 

Detective Terrible Detective
wrote on 30-Aug-22 09:35

Ok Sherlock, Let's follow your lead and use some powers of deduction here:

 

1. You must be referring to 1st Grade because, let's face it, noone would care this much about a ressies team missing finals.

2. Only 2 teams narrowly missed finals based on how to table ended up. Those were Dragons and Hawks. (Could argue EEW but let's be realistic)

3. Hawks have been pretty silent all year and weren't really expecting to make finals for most of this season until like the last few rounds so the liklihood of them coming onto the forum to moan about not making finals is pretty slim.

That leaves us with only one possiblilty of what team is whinging and moaning about not making finals. Only one team who were expecting to do well this year based on last seasons covid-affected results, only one team who had a point to prove this season and failed miserably by not winning anything, Macquarie Dragons.

Case Closed.

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 10:54

Detective Terrible Detective wrote:
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>Ok Sherlock, Let's follow your lead and use some powers of deduction here:

>1. You must be referring to 1st Grade because, let's face it, noone would care this much about a ressies team missing finals.

>2. Only 2 teams narrowly missed finals based on how to table ended up. Those were Dragons and Hawks. (Could argue EEW but let's be realistic)

>3. Hawks have been pretty silent all year and weren't really expecting to make finals for most of this season until like the last few rounds so the liklihood of them coming onto the forum to moan about not making finals is pretty slim.

>That leaves us with only one possiblilty of what team is whinging and moaning about not making finals. Only one team who were expecting to do well this year based on last seasons covid-affected results, only one team who had a point to prove this season and failed miserably by not winning anything, Macquarie Dragons.

>Case Closed.


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If you understood the requirements behind regulation changes you'd understand the point.

 

This is not about any particular club, it's purely about the correct process.

 

Here is the email.

 

The regulations how they currently stand do not allow for a Competition Secretary to inform clubs that wash out fixtures don't count in the 3 from 5 last game rule.

That is not supported in the regulations.

They still do very much count.

Any changes must have a minimum amount of notice, 21 days and allow members to vote on it.

This is not the only one, there have been others as well.

 

 

From: David Cooper<[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 at 12:27
Subject: Re-scheduled Games Criteria Change
To:



Dear Premier League and Super League Clubs,

 

With regards the washed out Reserve games that will be played over the next few weeks, I have had quite a few clubs that have said they will be struggling for numbers based on the initial criteria set out that anybody that played in those games would not be eligible to play in the reserves games of those fixtures.

 

We have reviewed and acknowledge that quite a number of clubs would have been severely affected by this restriction and so we looked at a new criteria that would allow more ‘reserve grade’ players to be available for these matches and making sure that the integrity of the matches is upheld at the same time. Please note: these games do not count as part of the last five (5) games of the Premiership Competition as per regulation 9.3.5. and 9.3.5.1.

 

Please read this criteria below carefully and fill out the attached form and send back to me, no later than COB Tuesday 5th July

 

  • Clubs can nominate up to 18 players from their PL/SL squad that can participate in these two games.
  • Must include two (2) goalkeepers, with a third keeper from outside the squad (if no 3rd keeper in the PL or SL squad) that can be added to the list, in case injury forces 1 of the 2 keepers to miss a match. The regular reserve keeper must start the game if the two squad keepers are listed and can only be replaced if injured in the game.
  • All nominated players on the list must have played at least three (3) games* in reserve grade with the only exception being one (1) goalkeeper, who might be the first grade keeper and is there as back up keeper to the regular reserve grade keeper. First grade players that have played less than 3 games in reserve grade are not eligible to play. * Please note: they must meet the 3-game rule prior to the Tuesday 5th July
  • Clubs can borrow additional players from outside of their PL/SL squad, if required. These players are not subject to the 3-game rule above. For example, club may nominate 16 squad players that are eligible and then may borrow 2 players from 18/21/AA/O35/O45 to make up the 18-man list. Any players brought in and included on the match sheet and made available and played, will count towards their borrowed player allocation.

 

We are confident that this new criteria will allow all clubs to be able to fill their team lists with a full squad of 16 players with the majority being players that are regular reserve grade players.

 

There will be no more changes and I am still waiting on a number of games to be finalised. I need these confirmed asap.

 

Cheers

 

 

David Cooper

Competitions Manager

P: (02) 9887 2116

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M: 0477 808 033

E: [email protected]

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W: www.nwsf.com.au

W: www.spiritfc.net.au

A: 

Christie Park, Christie Road, Macquarie Park, 2113

PO Box 1308 Macquarie Centre NSW 2113

 
 
 
 
 

Wattamattagal country of the Dharug Nation

 

MT
wrote on 30-Aug-22 10:55

Detective Terrible Detective wrote:
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>Ok Sherlock, Let's follow your lead and use some powers of deduction here:

>1. You must be referring to 1st Grade because, let's face it, noone would care this much about a ressies team missing finals.

>2. Only 2 teams narrowly missed finals based on how to table ended up. Those were Dragons and Hawks. (Could argue EEW but let's be realistic)

>3. Hawks have been pretty silent all year and weren't really expecting to make finals for most of this season until like the last few rounds so the liklihood of them coming onto the forum to moan about not making finals is pretty slim.

>That leaves us with only one possiblilty of what team is whinging and moaning about not making finals. Only one team who were expecting to do well this year based on last seasons covid-affected results, only one team who had a point to prove this season and failed miserably by not winning anything, Macquarie Dragons.

>Case Closed.


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Im the manager of Dragons and i have no idea what either of you are talking about. 
Congrats to WPH and Epping Eastwood. See you next season 

R&R
wrote on 30-Aug-22 11:12

Haters gonna hate MT, no one on this forum knows what anyone is on about. Ignore the trolls and enjoy the off-season 

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 11:14

MT wrote:
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>Detective Terrible Detective wrote:
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>>Ok Sherlock, Let's follow your lead and use some powers of deduction here:

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>>1. You must be referring to 1st Grade because, let's face it, noone would care this much about a ressies team missing finals.

>>2. Only 2 teams narrowly missed finals based on how to table ended up. Those were Dragons and Hawks. (Could argue EEW but let's be realistic)

>>3. Hawks have been pretty silent all year and weren't really expecting to make finals for most of this season until like the last few rounds so the liklihood of them coming onto the forum to moan about not making finals is pretty slim.

>>That leaves us with only one possiblilty of what team is whinging and moaning about not making finals. Only one team who were expecting to do well this year based on last seasons covid-affected results, only one team who had a point to prove this season and failed miserably by not winning anything, Macquarie Dragons.

>>Case Closed.

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Im the manager of Dragons and i have no idea what either of you are talking about. 
Congrats to WPH and Epping Eastwood. See you next season 


So as a Manager you claim you weren't aware of this communication from the Competition Secretary.

 

Quite extraordinary that would be.
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MT
wrote on 30-Aug-22 11:25

Sherlock wrote:
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>MT wrote:
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>>Detective Terrible Detective wrote:
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>>>Ok Sherlock, Let's follow your lead and use some powers of deduction here:

>>> 

>>>1. You must be referring to 1st Grade because, let's face it, noone would care this much about a ressies team missing finals.

>>>2. Only 2 teams narrowly missed finals based on how to table ended up. Those were Dragons and Hawks. (Could argue EEW but let's be realistic)

>>>3. Hawks have been pretty silent all year and weren't really expecting to make finals for most of this season until like the last few rounds so the liklihood of them coming onto the forum to moan about not making finals is pretty slim.

>>>That leaves us with only one possiblilty of what team is whinging and moaning about not making finals. Only one team who were expecting to do well this year based on last seasons covid-affected results, only one team who had a point to prove this season and failed miserably by not winning anything, Macquarie Dragons.

>>>Case Closed.

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Im the manager of Dragons and i have no idea what either of you are talking about. 
Congrats to WPH and Epping Eastwood. See you next season 

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So as a Manager you claim you weren't aware of this communication from the Competition Secretary.

>Quite extraordinary that would be.
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100% correct. 
If you would like a chat over the phone my number is easily accessible. 
Again, i have no idea what you are talking about and trust me anything that happens that pertains to PL matters regarding our squad i know about it. 
Don't assume things and don't besmirch squads/clubs with baseless accusations.

In the final two weeks of the season we were knocked out by WPH and Epping Eastwood in different grades. 
Perhaps ask people from those clubs how we handled things after those games before you make yourself feel big with your anonymous ramblings.

I along with most people associated with PL have no problem with the majority of banter which takes place on this forum. Some of it is even humorous. 
Please be careful of accusing people of doing certain things with no facts. Again, always happy to chat over the phone

MT
wrote on 30-Aug-22 11:36

Just to clarify, i did get that email. 

But I am unaware of any dramas to which you are referencing as a result of that email and I have no idea what it has to do with us. We played by the rules and I know Epping Eastwood did also. 
Again, have a great off season and we'll get back into it in 2023

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 11:37

MT wrote:
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>Sherlock wrote:
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>>MT wrote:
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>>>Detective Terrible Detective wrote:
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>>>>Ok Sherlock, Let's follow your lead and use some powers of deduction here:

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>>>>1. You must be referring to 1st Grade because, let's face it, noone would care this much about a ressies team missing finals.

>>>>2. Only 2 teams narrowly missed finals based on how to table ended up. Those were Dragons and Hawks. (Could argue EEW but let's be realistic)

>>>>3. Hawks have been pretty silent all year and weren't really expecting to make finals for most of this season until like the last few rounds so the liklihood of them coming onto the forum to moan about not making finals is pretty slim.

>>>>That leaves us with only one possiblilty of what team is whinging and moaning about not making finals. Only one team who were expecting to do well this year based on last seasons covid-affected results, only one team who had a point to prove this season and failed miserably by not winning anything, Macquarie Dragons.

>>>>Case Closed.

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Im the manager of Dragons and i have no idea what either of you are talking about. 
Congrats to WPH and Epping Eastwood. See you next season 

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So as a Manager you claim you weren't aware of this communication from the Competition Secretary.

>> 

>>Quite extraordinary that would be.
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100% correct. 
If you would like a chat over the phone my number is easily accessible. 
Again, i have no idea what you are talking about and trust me anything that happens that pertains to PL matters regarding our squad i know about it. 
Don't assume things and don't besmirch squads/clubs with baseless accusations.

>In the final two weeks of the season we were knocked out by WPH and Epping Eastwood in different grades. 
Perhaps ask people from those clubs how we handled things after those games before you make yourself feel big with your anonymous ramblings.

>I along with most people associated with PL have no problem with the majority of banter which takes place on this forum. Some of it is even humorous. 
Please be careful of accusing people of doing certain things with no facts. Again, always happy to chat over the phone


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The email in itself is a factual communication, wouldn't you agree or do you think it has been fabricated.

I've simply raised the question over whether the regulations were correctly applied.

No club has been articulated by my posts, just others taking a guess.

Any clubs impacted is subservient to the regulation point.

 

MT
wrote on 30-Aug-22 11:43

Sherlock wrote:
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>MT wrote:
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>>Sherlock wrote:
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>>>MT wrote:
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>>>>Detective Terrible Detective wrote:
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>>>>>Ok Sherlock, Let's follow your lead and use some powers of deduction here:

>>>>> 

>>>>>1. You must be referring to 1st Grade because, let's face it, noone would care this much about a ressies team missing finals.

>>>>>2. Only 2 teams narrowly missed finals based on how to table ended up. Those were Dragons and Hawks. (Could argue EEW but let's be realistic)

>>>>>3. Hawks have been pretty silent all year and weren't really expecting to make finals for most of this season until like the last few rounds so the liklihood of them coming onto the forum to moan about not making finals is pretty slim.

>>>>>That leaves us with only one possiblilty of what team is whinging and moaning about not making finals. Only one team who were expecting to do well this year based on last seasons covid-affected results, only one team who had a point to prove this season and failed miserably by not winning anything, Macquarie Dragons.

>>>>>Case Closed.

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Im the manager of Dragons and i have no idea what either of you are talking about. 
Congrats to WPH and Epping Eastwood. See you next season 

>>>
So as a Manager you claim you weren't aware of this communication from the Competition Secretary.

>>> 

>>>Quite extraordinary that would be.
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100% correct. 
If you would like a chat over the phone my number is easily accessible. 
Again, i have no idea what you are talking about and trust me anything that happens that pertains to PL matters regarding our squad i know about it. 
Don't assume things and don't besmirch squads/clubs with baseless accusations.

>>In the final two weeks of the season we were knocked out by WPH and Epping Eastwood in different grades. 
Perhaps ask people from those clubs how we handled things after those games before you make yourself feel big with your anonymous ramblings.

>>I along with most people associated with PL have no problem with the majority of banter which takes place on this forum. Some of it is even humorous. 
Please be careful of accusing people of doing certain things with no facts. Again, always happy to chat over the phone

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>The email in itself is a factual communication, wouldn't you agree or do you think it has been fabricated.

>I've simply raised the question over whether the regulations were correctly applied.

>No club has been articulated by my posts, just others taking a guess.

>Any clubs impacted is subservient to the regulation point.


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Ive just re-read the thread and apologies, it was some other flog who mentioned our club and not you.

In saying that i still don't know what your point is

Greg
wrote on 30-Aug-22 11:49

Detective Terrible Detective wrote:
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>Ok Sherlock, Let's follow your lead and use some powers of deduction here:

>1. You must be referring to 1st Grade because, let's face it, noone would care this much about a ressies team missing finals.

>2. Only 2 teams narrowly missed finals based on how to table ended up. Those were Dragons and Hawks. (Could argue EEW but let's be realistic)

>3. Hawks have been pretty silent all year and weren't really expecting to make finals for most of this season until like the last few rounds so the liklihood of them coming onto the forum to moan about not making finals is pretty slim.

>That leaves us with only one possiblilty of what team is whinging and moaning about not making finals. Only one team who were expecting to do well this year based on last seasons covid-affected results, only one team who had a point to prove this season and failed miserably by not winning anything, Macquarie Dragons.

>Case Closed.


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Ha this forum is RUN by the bloke from Hills Hawks. What a goose you are

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 11:50

Mr MT


So from stating 100% that you didn't get the email you now say you did.

 

I knew that as the email was genuine.

You went on to say the following, 'Don't assume things and don't besmirch squads/clubs with baseless accusations'

 

Please could you direct me to where I have named a club or even a squad since I raised this topic of debate.

I haven't.

This topic isn't about any club or about any club knowingly breaching the regulations.

 

From the first post it is about the regulations not being adhered to by the association.

 

It just doesn't relate to P/L & S/L either, it goes beyond that.

 

I used this platform as it is frequented by many.

No idea
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:02

Sherlock wrote:
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>With changes being made to the regulations on 30 June it was communicated to the association that these changes were never ratified by clubs which is a requirement under the constitution.

>The Board confirmed this in a response stating a step had been missed in the process thus knowingly giving finals opportunities to some teams that should've been there.

>More to come.


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Hi Sherlock 

Are you questioning whether this change was voted on by the clubs?

MT
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:04

Sherlock wrote:
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>Mr MT

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So from stating 100% that you didn't get the email you now say you did.

>I knew that as the email was genuine.

>You went on to say the following, 'Don't assume things and don't besmirch squads/clubs with baseless accusations'

>Please could you direct me to where I have named a club or even a squad since I raised this topic of debate.

>I haven't.

>This topic isn't about any club or about any club knowingly breaching the regulations.

>From the first post it is about the regulations not being adhered to by the association.

>It just doesn't relate to P/L & S/L either, it goes beyond that.

>I used this platform as it is frequented by many.


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Please refer to my apology to you in my previous msg. I realise you are talking broadly and it was someone else who mentioned our club

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:07

No idea wrote:
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>Sherlock wrote:
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>>With changes being made to the regulations on 30 June it was communicated to the association that these changes were never ratified by clubs which is a requirement under the constitution.

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>>The Board confirmed this in a response stating a step had been missed in the process thus knowingly giving finals opportunities to some teams that should've been there.

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>>More to come.

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>Hi Sherlock 

Are you questioning whether this change was voted on by the clubs?


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Correct.

 

No idea
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:08

Sherlock wrote:
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>With changes being made to the regulations on 30 June it was communicated to the association that these changes were never ratified by clubs which is a requirement under the constitution.

>The Board confirmed this in a response stating a step had been missed in the process thus knowingly giving finals opportunities to some teams that should've been there.

>More to come.


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Hi Sherlock 

Are you questioning whether this change was voted on by the clubs?

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:09

MT wrote:
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>Sherlock wrote:
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>>Mr MT

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So from stating 100% that you didn't get the email you now say you did.

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>>I knew that as the email was genuine.

>>You went on to say the following, 'Don't assume things and don't besmirch squads/clubs with baseless accusations'

>> 

>>Please could you direct me to where I have named a club or even a squad since I raised this topic of debate.

>>I haven't.

>>This topic isn't about any club or about any club knowingly breaching the regulations.

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>>From the first post it is about the regulations not being adhered to by the association.

>> 

>>It just doesn't relate to P/L & S/L either, it goes beyond that.

>> 

>>I used this platform as it is frequented by many.

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Please refer to my apology to you in my previous msg. I realise you are talking broadly and it was someone else who mentioned our club


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Accepted.

👍

MT
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:12

Thankyou. 

Can you tell us if it's a particular club who is whinging about this? 
Im not following what the point of it your thread is after the season has concluded. 
If these changes weren't voted on then that seems to be an incorrect way of dealing with it. 
But now the season is finished why does it matter?

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:17

This is not an isolated issue here, I raised it for the benefit of all club members who read this forum.

 

Openness and Transparency are 2 crucial characteristics that are needed to run a competitions by associations.

 

Can't hurt raising these points in a public forum as long as debate is conducted in a respectful way.

 

 

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:38

MT wrote:
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>Thankyou. 

>Can you tell us if it's a particular club who is whinging about this? 
Im not following what the point of it your thread is after the season has concluded. 
If these changes weren't voted on then that seems to be an incorrect way of dealing with it. 
But now the season is finished why does it matter?


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From the correspondence I have received there are 5 clubs affected by this so far, quite possibly more.

 

This all stemmed from the association issuing a club with a forfeit fine.

 

The club issued with the fine wasn't in final consideration either way, but didn't want to donate money unnecessarily to the association.

 

The club advised the association it wasn't  paying the fine as these changes weren't ratified through the correct process nor any others before and the matter just escalated from there.

 

There is a clear admission of error from the Board and they have tried to justify their actions without considering the constitution which of course they can't do.

 

The Board should never have put in writing what they did, it has left themselves exposed to questions of competency.

 

 

 

Penno
wrote on 30-Aug-22 12:55

So its Penno having a whinge then? Cause they are the only team that had to forfeit due to not following the rules properly 

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 13:10

Penno wrote:
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>So its Penno having a whinge then? Cause they are the only team that had to forfeit due to not following the rules properly 


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Any club fined under those changes which weren't ratified are an affected party.

 

The regulation problems extend beyond P/L & S/L.

 

Does anyone really think their club should be paying monies from fines to the association when those fines are not justified?

 

 

 

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 13:36

MT wrote:
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>Thankyou. 

>Can you tell us if it's a particular club who is whinging about this? 
Im not following what the point of it your thread is after the season has concluded. 
If these changes weren't voted on then that seems to be an incorrect way of dealing with it. 
But now the season is finished why does it matter?


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The reason behind this now is to rectify these problems for future seasons.

 

Part of the job of Competition Secretary is to be well versed in the regulations and constitution.

 

Being part of a Board requires the same knowledge.

 

So if these issues aren't addressed then those positions I have just alluded to have people making decisions of importance with little or no idea of due process.

 

You can also include the FMC in this as well.

 

 

Dude
wrote on 30-Aug-22 14:02

Do something more important with your life 

Sherlock
wrote on 30-Aug-22 14:11

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>Do something more important with your life 


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Thanks for the advice.

 

Doing it to make it better for all participants, isn't that a good enough reason.

Itís really quite simple
wrote on 30-Aug-22 14:48

It's not difficult. For all the bullshit this is a summary of the season - and just for disclosure purposes I'm a dyed in the wool WPH fan who has watched this league week in week out for a few years.

In first grade, WPH we're comfortably the most consistent and the most effective side. Arguably Dragons played better tika-taka but on what I saw weren't as clinical in either box. West Ryde were also a pretty consistent and effective side and are the big improvers from the last 2-3 years. I've no idea how St Andrews finished 3rd and made the final on what I saw as they were pretty poor in those games so actually huge credit must go to them for what they achieved.

On balance the best side did the double. 

In ressies, it often comes down to squad depth in the second half of the year but to go unbeaten and score 60-odd and concede just 6, WPH were again outstanding but although the league table doesn't lie and you finish where you deserve, EEW did cause us problems in both games. In the final they executed their game plan better than we did and deserve great credit for coming from behind twice. We have the better cattle individually but they are well coached and well organised and had too much for us on the day. Well done.

I thought in general there seemed to be a lack of consistency across the ressie league and that's to be expected. Again Dragons played nice stuff against us without being as effective, they are certainly well coached. West Ryde and Hawks are always a handful with their big fella up top. I was surprised Hawks weren't higher.

It's time NER disappeared, they've been on the brink for a while. RSU are the new team to hate with question marks over the eligibility of players and the crap ground. Penno need to reverse their slide quickly so will be interesting to see what kids they have coming through. Normo have a quality first 11 but depth seemed an issue for them this year, similar to the problems we had last year.

I'm sure we will give a decent account of ourselves in COC and fingers crossed we can play the bush pigs and shut up Keith the Klown. 

See you all again next year. Finally, just wanted to give a massive shout out to Matt from STA for his actions at the final. Have always thought he was a top bloke after a couple of chats in the past, but he went above and beyond last week when things could have taken a really nasty turn 🙏

 

Itís really quite simple
wrote on 30-Aug-22 14:54

It's not difficult. For all the bullshit this is a summary of the season - and just for disclosure purposes I'm a dyed in the wool WPH fan who has watched this league week in week out for a few years.

In first grade, WPH we're comfortably the most consistent and the most effective side. Arguably Dragons played better tika-taka but on what I saw weren't as clinical in either box. West Ryde were also a pretty consistent and effective side and are the big improvers from the last 2-3 years. I've no idea how St Andrews finished 3rd and made the final on what I saw as they were pretty poor in those games so actually huge credit must go to them for what they achieved.

On balance the best side did the double. 

In ressies, it often comes down to squad depth in the second half of the year but to go unbeaten and score 60-odd and concede just 6, WPH were again outstanding but although the league table doesn't lie and you finish where you deserve, EEW did cause us problems in both games. In the final they executed their game plan better than we did and deserve great credit for coming from behind twice. We have the better cattle individually but they are well coached and well organised and had too much for us on the day. Well done.

I thought in general there seemed to be a lack of consistency across the ressie league and that's to be expected. Again Dragons played nice stuff against us without being as effective, they are certainly well coached. West Ryde and Hawks are always a handful with their big fella up top. I was surprised Hawks weren't higher.

It's time NER disappeared, they've been on the brink for a while. RSU are the new team to hate with question marks over the eligibility of players and the crap ground. Penno need to reverse their slide quickly so will be interesting to see what kids they have coming through. Normo have a quality first 11 but depth seemed an issue for them this year, similar to the problems we had last year.

I'm sure we will give a decent account of ourselves in COC and fingers crossed we can play the bush pigs and shut up Keith the Klown. 

See you all again next year. Finally, just wanted to give a massive shout out to Matt from STA for his actions at the final. Have always thought he was a top bloke after a couple of chats in the past, but he went above and beyond last week when things could have taken a really nasty turn 🙏

 

2 Cents
wrote on 30-Aug-22 20:50

It’s really quite simple wrote:
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>It's not difficult. For all the bullshit this is a summary of the season - and just for disclosure purposes I'm a dyed in the wool WPH fan who has watched this league week in week out for a few years.

>In first grade, WPH we're comfortably the most consistent and the most effective side. Arguably Dragons played better tika-taka but on what I saw weren't as clinical in either box. West Ryde were also a pretty consistent and effective side and are the big improvers from the last 2-3 years. I've no idea how St Andrews finished 3rd and made the final on what I saw as they were pretty poor in those games so actually huge credit must go to them for what they achieved.

>On balance the best side did the double. 

>In ressies, it often comes down to squad depth in the second half of the year but to go unbeaten and score 60-odd and concede just 6, WPH were again outstanding but although the league table doesn't lie and you finish where you deserve, EEW did cause us problems in both games. In the final they executed their game plan better than we did and deserve great credit for coming from behind twice. We have the better cattle individually but they are well coached and well organised and had too much for us on the day. Well done.

>I thought in general there seemed to be a lack of consistency across the ressie league and that's to be expected. Again Dragons played nice stuff against us without being as effective, they are certainly well coached. West Ryde and Hawks are always a handful with their big fella up top. I was surprised Hawks weren't higher.

>It's time NER disappeared, they've been on the brink for a while. RSU are the new team to hate with question marks over the eligibility of players and the crap ground. Penno need to reverse their slide quickly so will be interesting to see what kids they have coming through. Normo have a quality first 11 but depth seemed an issue for them this year, similar to the problems we had last year.

>I'm sure we will give a decent account of ourselves in COC and fingers crossed we can play the bush pigs and shut up Keith the Klown. 

>See you all again next year. Finally, just wanted to give a massive shout out to Matt from STA for his actions at the final. Have always thought he was a top bloke after a couple of chats in the past, but he went above and beyond last week when things could have taken a really nasty turn 🙏


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Thank you for supplying something worth reading and my 2 cents, based on my own knowledge, I agree with everything you've said. Good to know some people can contribute decently thought out comments without the usual BS, which while amusing at times, provides as much mental simulation as a damp sock. Cheers

Good summary
wrote on 30-Aug-22 22:50

Good summary above, fair and balanced. For what it's worth, this is my summary as another keen viewer of PL though I will admit to watching the higher places teams more than the bottom half of the table.

 

WPH - top side in both comps. Really deserved to win in both grades. Unlucky not to beat a dogged EEW team in ressies. Very good at what they do well. Have a top squad with enough youth and talent to suggest they'll be up the top for many years to come. The biggest club in the sssociation should do us proud in CoC and hopefully get through a few rounds. 

 

WRR - Ressies were very direct but fought hard. You can only play as well as the players you have and they have average players. Have some very talented individuals in firsts and though they play fairly unimaginative football, they play to their strengths and scrap well. Did surprisingly well and credit to them for earning a lot of points when not playing the better football. 

NMH - Firsts were compact and robust and clinical when needed though leaked some big goals. Didn't see much of their ressies but thought they were pretty ordinary. 

EEW - firsts seem to be in decline with some ageing players and quite limited strategy and tactics. But they always fight hard and are never easy to beat. Watched both ressie finals. Both games were similar in that they were outplayed by dragons and lions but were clinical when needed and had enough mongrel to grind out the results. Keeper single handedly kept took them to the GF after making some huge saves vs dragons. Caught lions by surprise in ressies final and to get two 3-2 wins in a row shows they must have earnt their own luck so well done to them. 

MAC - no other team wowed me and disappointed me more than dragons this year. When seemingly having a full

compliment of players, they played the best football in the comp by far. Extremely frustrating to see suicidal mistakes like playing out from the back passing straight to opposition strikers and gifting goals. Injuries or covid or just uncommitted players or whatever but in games when they were undermanned they looked disjointed and not at the races. Last round vs lions was top game in firsts. Ressies have a good squad but seemed to die away at the end. Unlucky to lose to tigers. Have good juniors filling in but a worrying sign for squad depth if they have to borrow so many players. 

STA - massively overachieved and will be stoked in making a final when at times looked bang average. Good heart in all the players and delivered when needed so full credit to them.  Always seem there or there abouts. Didn't see enough of ressies but firsts have a solid spine as they have done for many years. I doubt they will make the finals next year but I don't think you have to be Nostradamus to work that out. The sentimental favourite though so their finals appearance would have made many warm inside. 

HWK - some solid players in firsts but don't know how they got so close to finals football. Put a few good strong of results together when it mattered. Can be hard to beat but then can also ship a lot or goals which smacks of inconsistency. Reserves are pretty ordinary.

 

RSU - proved you need to have an actual squad to play PL and survive in this league only because there was a club more incompetent than themselves, not something to be proud of but definitely something to be grateful for. Don't know if they will be as lucky next year. Reserves were woeful...when they turned up. Firsts clearly had players that could be clinical in the box on their day and from what I have read previously on the forum they have some talent in the recruitment department. Won't be so lucky next year unless others continue to slide further into mediocrity.

 

PEN - Only saw a few ressies games but nothing reminds me more of a bottom of the championship team than these reserves. Haven't seen so many long balls since Stoke City in their heyday. Absolutely no rhyme or reason behind any of their tactics. Their firsts at least are hard to beat and don't concede many goals. Don't score a lot but also put up a fight and have some solid players in their spine. Worrying if they have to rely on ressies players moving up next year. 

NER - the less said about the reserves the better in order to refrain from being insulting. Somehow the firsts managed to get results against some decent teams. They showed some heart and have some decent young players but we're lacking any structure. For obvious reasons I didn't venture out to North Epping much. Good luck to them. Maybe they need a complete reset from top to bottom. 

Interesting
wrote on 31-Aug-22 06:24

EEW "Keeper single handedly kept took them to the GF after making some huge saves vs dragons." That would be the 1st grade keeper yeah haha

Fair appraisal of the season
wrote on 03-Sep-22 08:31

Fair summary of the season. Shame you couldn't see more games to comment on.

kenthurst keith
wrote on 03-Sep-22 11:40

i will never retyre your all fat

Your summary
wrote on 03-Sep-22 12:56

Keith, do you think you could give us a summary of the hills season similar to above?

Maybe one that we can understand? 

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