Just a shout out to the red in firsts who tore his groin in the ressies fixtue, hope he is recovering well.
And a big thanks to the ref who came down and filled in at short notice. Was amazing to get a ref of that quality of short notice. He told me after the game he was scheduled to do HFC v YMCA reserve grade but the ground wa closed.
Just on that - how can a quality ref be given a ressies super league fixture when he held his own in first grade?
I don't understand.... either way reffing at boronia in a highly active match was no mean feat and he did well.
Well done.
and we won't mention the handball that the reserve grade ref missed hahah.
Typically first grade has been pretty good. A few strange decisions in the WRR game for us, but as a whole it's been good, probably better than last year.
The reserve grade has been a bit hit and miss, but it's reserve grade so you have to accept that it's a breeding ground to the first grade. Hasn't been terrible, just some decisions you wonder where they are coming from.
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>Typically first grade has been pretty good. A few strange decisions in the WRR game for us, but as a whole it's been good, probably better than last year.
>
>The reserve grade has been a bit hit and miss, but it's reserve grade so you have to accept that it's a breeding ground to the first grade. Hasn't been terrible, just some decisions you wonder where they are coming from.
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>Just a shout out to the red in firsts who tore his groin in the ressies fixtue, hope he is recovering well.
>
>And a big thanks to the ref who came down and filled in at short notice. Was amazing to get a ref of that quality of short notice. He told me after the game he was scheduled to do HFC v YMCA reserve grade but the ground wa closed.
>Just on that - how can a quality ref be given a ressies super league fixture when he held his own in first grade?
>
>I don't understand.... either way reffing at boronia in a highly active match was no mean feat and he did well.
>Well done.
>and we won't mention the handball that the reserve grade ref missed hahah.
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so ur saying apart from that missed handball the ref alledgedly did a good job
>How has the standard of refereeing been this season?
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Referees get hard done on this forum. So much whinging about small minor decisions that don't impact games whatsoever.
Watched two games on Monday. Watched the first half of the Tigers vs West Penno game and Reiddy hasn't changed one bit out in the middle whatsoever, 20 years on since he refereed the likes of me back in the glory days. Sure he's slowed down a bit but he controls the game better than anyone I've known.
Then watched as the second half started at Eastwood and saw a young bloke referee a top quality match as well.
Two different games. One where an old-timer hasn't changed in his quality. The other, a young bloke, who looks to be coming through the ranks that was equally outstanding.
Both probably didn't get congratulated at the end of the match as players will only ever acknowledge the mistakes refs make. And can I note in both matches, it was always the younger players having a whinge at the referee for pretty much anything, whilst the experienced players knew what was going on and played to the whistle.
The culture of football is turning for the worse imo and the younger generation are falling for the crap that they are watching at the professional level.
Disagree. A vast majority (Although not all) of the players in PL thank the ref/linos post-match. A vast majority even go so far as to congratulate them on a well officiated match.
It's easy for a spectator (especially an "Old Cogger") to play the "generation" card and claim it's the spoiled snowflakes that just whinge when things don't go their way. I don't think that's the case.
The players are the best ones to determine how a game was officiated as these calls are literally happening TO THEM. Of couse we all yell and flail the arms calling for everything to be a foul because that's how it seems these calls seem to be made, based on who appeals the most.
But if a player gets blantantly chopped in a tackle, looks to the ref to call it and gets nothing then, later in the same game, commits a similar tackle and get pinged for it, that breeds frustration. All too often these inconsistencies boil over, players take advantage and the ref loses control of the game, or at the very least respect of the players.
Why respect a ref who isn't protecting you or your team mates? That's where the issue arises, consistency. Not consistency between refs as each ref has their own style (again which most of the players are aware of) We know what refs are chill and let the game go, we know who are authoritarian dictators who don't even like being talked to.
The players want in-game consistency, just becuase the decision doesn't impact the game doesn't discount the furstration it causes. And unfortunatly the referees in this association cannot handle questions or critisism (usually results in a warning, a card, or a dismissive "go away") so where else can they vent their frustration but this forum?
It very much depends on how you ask a referee about a decision. If you ask them aggressively why they got "A, B & C" decision wrong straight after full time, you probably won’t like the answer. If you ask them to explain why they made a decision in a calm respectful manner you will in 99% of cases get a respectful response. Well that’s what I have found in my experience.
if you are referring to the STA v HWK game on Monday, I spoke woth the ref after abs shook his hand. Apparently it was his first first grade game, and he did quite well. Was a very physical match as it always is at Eastwood and yeah he could have handled a few decisions differently but no complaints from us as he was consistent throughout the whole game.
as for the comments above. You must respect officially regardless of their calls. Of course they make mistakes, but players make a lot more, yet have the hide to scream and carry on when a ref makes one. Pull your heads in.
I remember back in the day when I played NPL, you could say what you want to the ref, swear, have a crack, but the minute it got personal or you took it too far bang you get brought into line. Coming back to GHFA SL /PL you couldn't say a word to a ref, and by golly if you swear, booked instantly. But now it's similar to the NPL standard.
what I don't agree with is putting 12 year olds on the sideline to line games, especially in front of largish crowds when you can get intimidated.
well done to the chap who centred us on Monday! Keep it up.
>I will have to agree, the refs like Tom Forrest and Ear Plugs from a few years back have stepped aside and now we have better cattle to tackle the PL.
>
>Swearing at Refs in NPL? mate - are you talking like recently or way back in the day you old man!
>haha Back pre A-League you might have gotten away with that, but these days you can't swear at refs.
>
>I don't know why 12 year olds are on the sidelines lining games? Maybe Fitzy or Juice or Clattenberg can answer that.
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Mitch, I wouldn't say 12, more like 14/15 and older. I would imagine a lot of older teenage age groups play in the afternoon when SL/PL is on from 1pm onwards. Most junior refs play so I dare say that may be the answer to your query.
The majority of AR's that you would see in PL are in their third season and are 15 to 17 years old. Who you get is determined usually where they have been playing or refereeing earlier in the day or they will get games close to where they live. Late pullouts through illness / COVID can mean a last minute less experienced appointment. For your club try and encourage as many under 14/15 players to also take a refereeing as extra pocket money then there will be a larger group of young AR's to choose from to AR in your area. A lot of junior AR's stop by 16/17 due to HSC, more reliable part time jobs or due to not enjoying complaints from players and spectators.
Player and spectator behavior and respect is pretty good in PL. There tends to be more problems in under 18's and over 35's & 45's where a very small minority think they are playing for sheep stations.
Nothing has changed in GHFA and now NWS since the inception of Premier League back in 1977, nobody has found the holy grail to the problem of refereeing and consistency, as a former player and later a long time GHFA & Premier League referee, I have heard and experienced all the pros and cons.
As a player and coach in Premier League, we would observe which referee was going to handle first grade and we normally knew their pet hates and likes, so at pre-match we would talk about those things we knew the referee would react to and ensure we did not commit them, smart teams work it out quickly and so do the smart players.
If players and teams persist with the same things that they are being penalised for all afternoon, then they deserve what they receive, change the strategy, I know it is not ideal, but it wins games !
I touch on the fact that referees are like players they are human and they make mistakes, usually based on what they observed at the split second a foul or a law was broken, they may have had players cross in front of them as the infringment occurred.
Very very rarely will a referee change his decision based on abuse or aggressive behaviour towards a referee, so move, on drop back 10 yards and suck it up, the next decision may go your way ?
Th good teams in Premier League have self discipline and accept and bide by the referees decision, they don't lose players on second yellows for dissent, they play football with their heads and feet and not with their mouths.
Regardless of their ages, this in my opinion (played in canterbury,granville and ghfa) is the best referred compeition. Yes there can be improvements, but for a local competition, IMO this is right up there.
As for the players, well there is one thing to complain and ask the ref a question, but to consistently whinge and generally become annoying. Expect a booking.
The same thing can be taken into your personal life, if someone is at you the whole time and complains over and over again, you would get the shits right?
If anyone remembers Roods from Kenthurst, he was a perfect example of how far you can push it... Kept it professional @ all times, but pushed the limits. Not saying he was a saint(which he defn wasnt), but played within the rules. Very hard, very fair.
THE ROCK
wrote on 10-Jun-22 04:45Just a shout out to the red in firsts who tore his groin in the ressies fixtue, hope he is recovering well.
And a big thanks to the ref who came down and filled in at short notice. Was amazing to get a ref of that quality of short notice. He told me after the game he was scheduled to do HFC v YMCA reserve grade but the ground wa closed.
Just on that - how can a quality ref be given a ressies super league fixture when he held his own in first grade?
I don't understand.... either way reffing at boronia in a highly active match was no mean feat and he did well.
Well done.
and we won't mention the handball that the reserve grade ref missed hahah.
Boronia
wrote on 10-Jun-22 10:54and we wont mention the handball at the end of first grade that the ref missed
who-knows
wrote on 10-Jun-22 11:10does a 10 min sin-bin also accompanies a yellow card?
why yes - why no?
Actually…
wrote on 10-Jun-22 14:41Boronia wrote:
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>and we wont mention the handball at the end of first grade that the ref missed
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Video evidence shows It hits the stomach not that hand...
Typical whinging tigers.
Ref quality
wrote on 10-Jun-22 14:58How has the standard of refereeing been this season?
M.oliver
wrote on 10-Jun-22 15:33Ref quality wrote:
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>How has the standard of refereeing been this season?
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ANS: depends who u get
THE ROCK
wrote on 11-Jun-22 08:13Typically first grade has been pretty good. A few strange decisions in the WRR game for us, but as a whole it's been good, probably better than last year.
The reserve grade has been a bit hit and miss, but it's reserve grade so you have to accept that it's a breeding ground to the first grade. Hasn't been terrible, just some decisions you wonder where they are coming from.
Grudge
wrote on 11-Jun-22 16:47THE ROCK wrote:
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>Typically first grade has been pretty good. A few strange decisions in the WRR game for us, but as a whole it's been good, probably better than last year.
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>The reserve grade has been a bit hit and miss, but it's reserve grade so you have to accept that it's a breeding ground to the first grade. Hasn't been terrible, just some decisions you wonder where they are coming from.
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Loses 4.nil blames it on the ref weeks later
Keep on truckin
Cmon
wrote on 11-Jun-22 16:47who-knows wrote:
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>does a 10 min sin-bin also accompanies a yellow card?
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>why yes - why no?
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Only if the yellow is for dissent
Learn the rules
Spiritual
wrote on 12-Jun-22 23:03Boronia wrote:
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>and we wont mention the handball at the end of first grade that the ref missed
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so apart from this the ref did a good job ur saying?
Spiritual
wrote on 12-Jun-22 23:10Boronia wrote:
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>and we wont mention the handball at the end of first grade that the ref missed
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so apart from this the ref did a good job ur saying?
Spiritual
wrote on 12-Jun-22 23:11THE ROCK wrote:
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>Just a shout out to the red in firsts who tore his groin in the ressies fixtue, hope he is recovering well.
>
>And a big thanks to the ref who came down and filled in at short notice. Was amazing to get a ref of that quality of short notice. He told me after the game he was scheduled to do HFC v YMCA reserve grade but the ground wa closed.
>Just on that - how can a quality ref be given a ressies super league fixture when he held his own in first grade?
>
>I don't understand.... either way reffing at boronia in a highly active match was no mean feat and he did well.
>Well done.
>and we won't mention the handball that the reserve grade ref missed hahah.
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so ur saying apart from that missed handball the ref alledgedly did a good job
Old Cogger from yesteryear
wrote on 15-Jun-22 13:55Ref quality wrote:
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>How has the standard of refereeing been this season?
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Referees get hard done on this forum. So much whinging about small minor decisions that don't impact games whatsoever.
Watched two games on Monday. Watched the first half of the Tigers vs West Penno game and Reiddy hasn't changed one bit out in the middle whatsoever, 20 years on since he refereed the likes of me back in the glory days. Sure he's slowed down a bit but he controls the game better than anyone I've known.
Then watched as the second half started at Eastwood and saw a young bloke referee a top quality match as well.
Two different games. One where an old-timer hasn't changed in his quality. The other, a young bloke, who looks to be coming through the ranks that was equally outstanding.
Both probably didn't get congratulated at the end of the match as players will only ever acknowledge the mistakes refs make. And can I note in both matches, it was always the younger players having a whinge at the referee for pretty much anything, whilst the experienced players knew what was going on and played to the whistle.
The culture of football is turning for the worse imo and the younger generation are falling for the crap that they are watching at the professional level.
Wrong
wrote on 15-Jun-22 14:22Disagree. A vast majority (Although not all) of the players in PL thank the ref/linos post-match. A vast majority even go so far as to congratulate them on a well officiated match.
It's easy for a spectator (especially an "Old Cogger") to play the "generation" card and claim it's the spoiled snowflakes that just whinge when things don't go their way. I don't think that's the case.
The players are the best ones to determine how a game was officiated as these calls are literally happening TO THEM. Of couse we all yell and flail the arms calling for everything to be a foul because that's how it seems these calls seem to be made, based on who appeals the most.
But if a player gets blantantly chopped in a tackle, looks to the ref to call it and gets nothing then, later in the same game, commits a similar tackle and get pinged for it, that breeds frustration. All too often these inconsistencies boil over, players take advantage and the ref loses control of the game, or at the very least respect of the players.
Why respect a ref who isn't protecting you or your team mates? That's where the issue arises, consistency. Not consistency between refs as each ref has their own style (again which most of the players are aware of) We know what refs are chill and let the game go, we know who are authoritarian dictators who don't even like being talked to.
The players want in-game consistency, just becuase the decision doesn't impact the game doesn't discount the furstration it causes. And unfortunatly the referees in this association cannot handle questions or critisism (usually results in a warning, a card, or a dismissive "go away") so where else can they vent their frustration but this forum?
Hype
wrote on 15-Jun-22 15:48It very much depends on how you ask a referee about a decision. If you ask them aggressively why they got "A, B & C" decision wrong straight after full time, you probably won’t like the answer. If you ask them to explain why they made a decision in a calm respectful manner you will in 99% of cases get a respectful response. Well that’s what I have found in my experience.
And I’m not a ref, and would never want to be.
THE ROCK
wrote on 16-Jun-22 06:46@OLD COGGER
if you are referring to the STA v HWK game on Monday, I spoke woth the ref after abs shook his hand. Apparently it was his first first grade game, and he did quite well. Was a very physical match as it always is at Eastwood and yeah he could have handled a few decisions differently but no complaints from us as he was consistent throughout the whole game.
as for the comments above. You must respect officially regardless of their calls. Of course they make mistakes, but players make a lot more, yet have the hide to scream and carry on when a ref makes one. Pull your heads in.
I remember back in the day when I played NPL, you could say what you want to the ref, swear, have a crack, but the minute it got personal or you took it too far bang you get brought into line. Coming back to GHFA SL /PL you couldn't say a word to a ref, and by golly if you swear, booked instantly. But now it's similar to the NPL standard.
what I don't agree with is putting 12 year olds on the sideline to line games, especially in front of largish crowds when you can get intimidated.
well done to the chap who centred us on Monday! Keep it up.
Mitch
wrote on 16-Jun-22 11:55I will have to agree, the refs like Tom Forrest and Ear Plugs from a few years back have stepped aside and now we have better cattle to tackle the PL.
Swearing at Refs in NPL? mate - are you talking like recently or way back in the day you old man!
haha Back pre A-League you might have gotten away with that, but these days you can't swear at refs.
I don't know why 12 year olds are on the sidelines lining games? Maybe Fitzy or Juice or Clattenberg can answer that.
Juice
wrote on 16-Jun-22 21:18Mitch wrote:
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>I will have to agree, the refs like Tom Forrest and Ear Plugs from a few years back have stepped aside and now we have better cattle to tackle the PL.
>
>Swearing at Refs in NPL? mate - are you talking like recently or way back in the day you old man!
>haha Back pre A-League you might have gotten away with that, but these days you can't swear at refs.
>
>I don't know why 12 year olds are on the sidelines lining games? Maybe Fitzy or Juice or Clattenberg can answer that.
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Mitch, I wouldn't say 12, more like 14/15 and older. I would imagine a lot of older teenage age groups play in the afternoon when SL/PL is on from 1pm onwards. Most junior refs play so I dare say that may be the answer to your query.
Fitzy
wrote on 17-Jun-22 09:32The minimum age to referee is 13.
The majority of AR's that you would see in PL are in their third season and are 15 to 17 years old. Who you get is determined usually where they have been playing or refereeing earlier in the day or they will get games close to where they live. Late pullouts through illness / COVID can mean a last minute less experienced appointment. For your club try and encourage as many under 14/15 players to also take a refereeing as extra pocket money then there will be a larger group of young AR's to choose from to AR in your area. A lot of junior AR's stop by 16/17 due to HSC, more reliable part time jobs or due to not enjoying complaints from players and spectators.
Player and spectator behavior and respect is pretty good in PL. There tends to be more problems in under 18's and over 35's & 45's where a very small minority think they are playing for sheep stations.
Swanee
wrote on 17-Jun-22 09:33Nothing has changed in GHFA and now NWS since the inception of Premier League back in 1977, nobody has found the holy grail to the problem of refereeing and consistency, as a former player and later a long time GHFA & Premier League referee, I have heard and experienced all the pros and cons.
As a player and coach in Premier League, we would observe which referee was going to handle first grade and we normally knew their pet hates and likes, so at pre-match we would talk about those things we knew the referee would react to and ensure we did not commit them, smart teams work it out quickly and so do the smart players.
If players and teams persist with the same things that they are being penalised for all afternoon, then they deserve what they receive, change the strategy, I know it is not ideal, but it wins games !
I touch on the fact that referees are like players they are human and they make mistakes, usually based on what they observed at the split second a foul or a law was broken, they may have had players cross in front of them as the infringment occurred.
Very very rarely will a referee change his decision based on abuse or aggressive behaviour towards a referee, so move, on drop back 10 yards and suck it up, the next decision may go your way ?
Th good teams in Premier League have self discipline and accept and bide by the referees decision, they don't lose players on second yellows for dissent, they play football with their heads and feet and not with their mouths.
Have a good weekend guys
THE ROCK
wrote on 17-Jun-22 12:36Sorry boys, maybe they just looked 12! haha.
Regardless of their ages, this in my opinion (played in canterbury,granville and ghfa) is the best referred compeition. Yes there can be improvements, but for a local competition, IMO this is right up there.
As for the players, well there is one thing to complain and ask the ref a question, but to consistently whinge and generally become annoying. Expect a booking.
The same thing can be taken into your personal life, if someone is at you the whole time and complains over and over again, you would get the shits right?
If anyone remembers Roods from Kenthurst, he was a perfect example of how far you can push it... Kept it professional @ all times, but pushed the limits. Not saying he was a saint(which he defn wasnt), but played within the rules. Very hard, very fair.